RyokoTK

[Dieselfame3]

do we really need another admin? how may do we have already? is this going to be a mad race to become modarators for topics like last time? good lord US goverment here we come... Ryoko is fine w/ me (even tho he banned me from irc [wierdo {:P}])

[RyokoTK]

Now that Godot's been unregistered we're down to one admin, who's not here very often, and a couple of board moderators. It's hardly a power race.

[shongshong]

well.. as long as the modorators arent bitchy, im fine,

theres nothing like the sweat smell of threats to delete posts

(I prefer minimal amount of modorators too)

[Lugas]

I'm here often. You could make me an admin! Mwahahahaha! I think another admin would be needed because of the rising spam.

[Dieselfame3]

i think we should get a tough spam admin to blam(warn posters helluz/delete topic/go to the residence of the poster and kill them with a flamethrower) the hell out of posts like these:

http://www.pfhorums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1103
http://www.pfhorums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1015
http://www.pfhorums.com/viewtopic.php?t=911

sorry to bring these post back up to the public but I am really getting tired of seeing porn spam/drug adds in the Pfhorums, I already have plenty of that crap to deal with via email. I've allready killed too many spamers as it is.

[Bobwithkeycard]

I hope the prospect of being admin will lessen the degree of foul language/insults on the part of the person in discussion here. Being cursed at and being threatened to be banned like I am used to in the aleph one irc channel isn't the most enjoyable atmosphere. But who knows, perhaps this is the one time where power won't corrupt.

[RyokoTK]

That's funny, have you ever been in the Aleph chatroom? If you've been "threatened to be banned," it's probably because you were actually acting like a total jerkwad. I mean, you kind of have a habit of picking fights with me all the time.

[Bobwithkeycard]

There you go with the insults again. You don't see me walking around calling ppl jerkwad, stupid fuckass and the like. Also I can't quite say that I am much interested in your presence, how you can create a sentence about you and me + all the time in it, is a riddle to me, given the very rare occasions I interact with you.

You are of great luck that your marathon work is widely popular, otherwise you'd be a social outcast.
But don't let this be a reason for a tit-for-tat response.

[Mordekai]

Bobwithkeycard, do you realize that he didn't insult you? He said that if you were threatened to be banned, you were probably a jerkwad. And that is probably true.

[RyokoTK]

There you go with the insults again. You don't see me walking around calling ppl jerkwad, stupid fuckass and the like. Also I can't quite say that I am much interested in your presence, how you can create a sentence about you and me + all the time in it, is a riddle to me, given the very rare occasions I interact with you.

Then how come, whenever anything comes up that has to do with me on the Pfhorums, you're pretty much always there, ready to deliver some truly scathing remark? Is this seriously all about a remark I made about you two years ago? Are you seriously going to hold a grudge against me like that? You've got to be kidding. Drop it and let it go.

And I wasn't insulting you, but your reading comprehension leaves a bit to be desired. I said that if I threatened to ban you, it's because you were acting like a jerkwad. I made no comment that actually regards your demeanor.

[Bobwithkeycard]

well, as a general statement it would certainly be true that admins usually kick ppl that behave like 'total jerkwads', god bless this idea, b/c otherwise there'd be trolls everywhere.
This wasn't hypothetically however, since RyokoTK was/is admin of A1 irc, did threaten to ban and I normally have to endure a tirade of insults. If you are to browse through certain pfhorum posts, you will encounter a similar attitude in one place, while being helpful in other places of the pfhorums.
I have no real interest in making this the topic of this thread, but wanted to express the wish for an improvement in manners on the part RyokoTK if he were to gain admin rights.

[RyokoTK]

well, as a general statement it would certainly be true that admins usually kick ppl that behave like 'total jerkwads', god bless this idea, b/c otherwise there'd be trolls everywhere. This wasn't hypothetically however, since RyokoTK was/is admin of A1 irc, did threaten to ban and I normally have to endure a tirade of insults.

If you attend #alephone under a different username than I'm familiar with, then by all means, let me know. The chatroom has... what, six operators? My power is severely checked. I can't just ban people willy-nilly, and I certainly don't ban people strictly because I don't like them. If they're acting rudely and trolling, then it's my duty to remove them from the chatroom -- and every post that you make that is in response to a post I make or a post about me on this board is negative. That's trolling, and the attitude undoubtedly persisted in #alephone, so your ban threat was well-deserved.

You'll notice that you weren't banned outright, after all.

I have no real interest in making this the topic of this thread, but wanted to express the wish for an improvement in manners on the part RyokoTK if he were to gain admin rights.

I'd like to get the opinion of somebody who doesn't irrationally hate my guts.

[Bobwithkeycard]

you have a strange perspective when it comes to using the word always. I remember participating in one or two threads that you were involved too, that is like 1 percent of your post count.
Could it be that you have a bit of a persecution mania? Fights with ppl downgrading your maps over at fileball come to mind.
Also the wish that you work on your manners can't do much harm, cause you certainly have a name calling problem and since an admin is a public figure that also has to represent the forum and not just himself, this seems like a valid request.


I see that you already made a new post: the pfhorum version you are now participating in is younger than the irc channel so there is a causality problem in your statement with me showing persistent behaviour.
Also while it's true that trolling behaviour leads to banning, this in no way proves that a ban happened on this foundation. It is a rule that an admin is bound to morally as a policeman is bound to a certain behaviour when interacting with civilians. The news will tell you this system isn't fail-safe.
In this case you claim that you can't even remember it, so...

FYI I don't make posts about you. I disagree, however, with your way of treating ppl.
About what you say towards negative reponse: this is how critic works, it is rarely positive and always has to be negative for a reason that is stated in the critic itself, otherwise it'd be just an insult.

Now, I stated that I don't appreciate your name calling, but you don't even seem to acknowledge that easily provable critic, but ask me to let things go. You seem to demand what you are unwilling to do yourself.
That your powers are severly checked ( how you like put it ) is my only interest, if you find yourself unable to work on your manners.

[RyokoTK]

you have a strange perspective when it comes to using the word always. I remember participating in one or two threads that you were involved too, that is like 1 percent of your post count.
Could it be that you have a bit of a persecution mania? Fights with ppl downgrading your maps over at fileball come to mind.

Except the fileball admin just proved that I was actually right in that regard. Having negative opinions about my stuff is fine; downvoting my maps for no reason is not. Go look at the fileball forums.

Also the wish that you work on your manners can't do much harm, cause you certainly have a name calling problem and since an admin is a public figure that also has to represent the forum and not just himself, this seems like a valid request.

Oh, sure, it's just that I have a hard time taking the advice of the pot when it's calling the kettle black.

I see that you already made a new post: the pfhorum version you are now participating in is younger than the irc channel so there is a causality problem in your statement with me showing persistent behaviour.
Also while it's true that trolling behaviour leads to banning, this in no way proves that a ban happened on this foundation.

What in the world are you talking about?

It is a rule that an admin is bound to morally as a policeman is bound to a certain behaviour when interacting with civilians. The news will tell you this system isn't fail-safe.
In this case you claim that you can't even remember it, so...

The police aren't bound to being nice people, they're bound to upholding the law, which I do on #alephone fairly well. That's all that my job entails.

Now, I stated that I don't appreciate your name calling, but you don't even seem to acknowledge that easily provable critic, but ask me to let things go. You seem to demand what you are unwilling to do yourself.

Er, what? I almost always just ignore your posts, mostly because I'm not interested in the things that you're interested in -- and in the case of Hogepiyo's map editor, I don't really have the programming experience to be of any help, so I don't really follow that topic except for what Hoge says, in the event that it's an update on the program. The only time that I really read your posts is when they're in response to something that I say, or are in response to something that directly concerns me, and I find that they're almost always negative and include some ad hominem attack.

I let things go a long time ago. I never talk to you or about you, except in rare circumstances -- like this one, when you chimed in. And when I responded, you seemed to deliberately misinterpret my post and cast aspersion on my character. That isn't something I appreciate.

So I'm saying it again: let. it. go.

That your powers are severly checked ( how you like put it ) is my only interest, if you find yourself unable to work on your manners.

My "manners" are not in question. Clearly, Appleswitch doesn't seem to care one way or another about my manners, and I would think he knows me well enough to make that kind of judgment call. So personally I don't care whatsoever what anyone else thinks about my manners, because it doesn't matter. As an administrator of the site, my manners won't come into question... how I use my powers will. And, believe it or not, my "poor manners" and my moderating on #alephone rarely cross eachother. Just because you did something dickish in the chatroom and got warned about it doesn't mean I just feel like giving you a hard time because I don't like you.

Will my powers be checked? Yes. Do I even want to abuse my powers on the Pfhorums? No. It doesn't matter. If Switch does make me an admin, I do plan on using the warn system and closing topics that devolve into flamewars, deleting spam, and so forth -- but that will be my job. That's what I'm responsible for.

Face it: you're in a community where contributions outweigh demeanor. And my contributions go beyond just making maps. My entire blog is devoted entirely to helping other mappers get better. That's what it's for, nothing more. I wrote several reviews and have a large number of ratings on Fileball, because I want the mapper to know what's good and what's bad about their work. I don't gain anything, and certainly abusing the Fileball voting system is not on the top of my list. I don't downvote the files of people I don't like, one, because that's retarded, and two, because it defeats the purpose of the system to begin with -- a system that I put a certain amount of faith in in regards to this game. Just because I don't talk to you with much respect doesn't mean that I haven't put a lot of devotion into the community. And not only that, but devotion that I don't ever expect to see returned to me. I don't get anything for my time. Isn't that a testament to my demeanor? Certainly it's a better one than how I handle someone who irrationally hates me.

[Kryten]

If people really think we need another mod/admin, I'd take on the job.
I may not post that much but I'm here most of the time.
BONUS: So far, no-one seems to take offense at anything I say.

[Dieselfame3]

i think ryoko can handle the job

[Bobwithkeycard]

So I'm saying it again: let. it. go.

go to the preceding page and take a look at how much you wrote in there. All as a reaction to my initial three-liner. That the concept of letting things go is lost on you yourself is quite obvious simply by the time you spent writing.
I remember that from the irc channel, where you went on and on in monologues trying to convince an invisible audience about how you don't care whatsoever. overcompensation in a loop, don't really know what's up with that.

Face it: you're in a community where contributions outweigh demeanor.

Like I wrote in an initial post, you are lucky that your work gets accepted so well, cause otherwise ppl would focus only on your arrogance. I don't think I have ever seen a readme stating "don't send me bugs, I don't care"...
The main contributer to AlephOne is the widely known main coder, do you see him walking around trying to match bad behaviour with the level of work invested? And this is a situation where you have to deal with zany feauture requests that a line of never ending ppl seems to come up with on a daily basis.

Certainly it's a better one than how I handle someone who irrationally hates me.

Being unable to understand something doesn't make it irrational, sadly the concept of sarcasm seems to be widely lost on you which might very well be a cause of confusion.

I'm the last one not to acknowledge that you wrote more friendly/helpful posts in the most recent past. Just keep in mind that you could avoid alot of fights if you were to keep that up.

My only request is that you make a distinction between petty personal stuff and possible admin rights. You clearly stated that you are willing to do so, so I don't have anymore to contribute in this question.
The main reason I appeared in this thread was that it showed up as topic ryokoTK by author ryokoTK, btw. That was certainly an eye-catcher.

[treellama]

The main contributer to AlephOne is the widely known main coder, do you see him walking around trying to match bad behaviour with the level of work invested?

If you're talking about me (main coder for all time would still be Loren or cebix), it's happened before, back in my angrier days. See the one-click installer flamewar, or the s.b.o. flamewars on marathon-devel (sorry about that appleswitch )

And this is a situation where you have to deal with zany feauture requests that a line of never ending ppl seems to come up with on a daily basis.

It's actually particularly difficult to deal with those without being rude sometimes. I'm pretty sure I haven't handled them all as nicely as I could have, but it's damned exhausting.

[shongshong]

I have no real interest in making this the topic of this thread, but wanted to express the wish for an improvement in manners on the part RyokoTK if he were to gain admin rights.

yah, I agree... Last thing I want to see around here is a mean powerfull ruller

[RyokoTK]

go to the preceding page and take a look at how much you wrote in there. All as a reaction to my initial three-liner. That the concept of letting things go is lost on you yourself is quite obvious simply by the time you spent writing.
I remember that from the irc channel, where you went on and on in monologues trying to convince an invisible audience about how you don't care whatsoever. overcompensation in a loop, don't really know what's up with that.

Oops, you got me, I really do care, thanks for being the bigger man. Except not. Everything you say is "well you started it so I get to do anything I want."

Like I wrote in an initial post, you are lucky that your work gets accepted so well, cause otherwise ppl would focus only on your arrogance. I don't think I have ever seen a readme stating "don't send me bugs, I don't care"...

1. Maybe if you, I dunno, read the rest of the readme, you'd see why I insisted that you not send me bug reports: what am I going to do with them? I'm well aware that TGI has bugs in it, so it's not that I don't necessarily want bug reports, it's just that there's nothing I can do about it, so why should you waste your time?

2. I do a lot more than make maps, you know. If I was such an arrogant guy, as you said, that I would be a "social outcast," you'd think that that level of arrogance would transcend what I do. But I still provide assistance and, so long as someone who wants to talk to me isn't a raging dickhead, I really don't start problems. You're overinflating the issue because you act at times like a raging dickhead, and I don't treat you with respect.

The main contributer to AlephOne is the widely known main coder, do you see him walking around trying to match bad behaviour with the level of work invested?

Is that what I tried to do? You're the one who made the connection, not me. According to you, if it weren't for my works, I'd be a "social outcast." So I'm just continuing that connection. And for the record, pretty much all of the Aleph devs have been known to be pretty rude at times, but so what? That doesn't affect how they develop the game.

And this is a situation where you have to deal with zany feauture requests that a line of never ending ppl seems to come up with on a daily basis.

I guess Wolfy's a bigger man than me. But I don't see what that has to do with anything. I find it highly unlikely that he wants to be the Pfhorums admin on top of everything else.

Being unable to understand something doesn't make it irrational, sadly the concept of sarcasm seems to be widely lost on you which might very well be a cause of confusion.

You're a pretty funny guy.

I'm the last one not to acknowledge that you wrote more friendly/helpful posts in the most recent past. Just keep in mind that you could avoid alot of fights if you were to keep that up.

I've always had helpful posts. Not everything I post is helpful, but I often have helpful things to say. Just because I didn't sugar-coat them with compliments and nice demeanor didn't mean they were less helpful.

My only request is that you make a distinction between petty personal stuff and possible admin rights. You clearly stated that you are willing to do so, so I don't have anymore to contribute in this question.

You could have just asked if I would or not, rather than insinuating that I wouldn't -- or stating (incorrectly) that I confuse petty personal stuff and moderating in #alephone. I do my job there well.

The main reason I appeared in this thread was that it showed up as topic ryokoTK by author ryokoTK, btw. That was certainly an eye-catcher.

Hey, I didn't make the topic, Appleswitch did. I merely posted in it.

[Bobwithkeycard]

you act at times like a raging dickhead, and I don't treat you with respect.

dude, we are not living together, I just made sarcastic remarks about your hostile attitude in 2 or 3 threads. live with it.

[RyokoTK]

Well, I was referring in particular to the time when you joined the #alephone chatroom. I don't actually remember this event, but if I threatened to ban you, it must have been because of your attitude.

[Bobwithkeycard]

..always great to refer to things one doesn't remember.

that last sentence of yours is ideal moderator talk. Now you only have to make sure that that assumption is to be true regardless of what you are able to remember. How can you do that? by retaining/gaining a professional attitude.

I wish you the best for your further endeavors

[Lugas]

Ok, so now that RyokoTK is an admin, did that mean Grayswandir should no longer be an admin?

[shongshong]

dont you love the smell of democracy in the morning?

lol