I messaged 'switch and he suggested that I post it here.
I suggest we get rid of the Pidgeon Lounge for a week or two. Yes, not delete it entirely, but put it into hiding for a while. The PL doesn't really do anything but promote spamming and flaming. Sure the occasional off-topic post in the wrong area is okay, but this is just getting ridiculous.
So, as I said above, get rid of the Pidgeon Lounge for a while, see how it goes and if it cuts down on the spam and such (If people start spamming all over just to ruin the experiment, I'll try to get 'switch to restrict your access while the experiment is going on...)
If there's less spam and people start acting more mature and such...then hey, hell with the Pidgeon Lounge, we can replace it with a "Games" section for all those stupid text-games that we seem to love so much. If it doesn't work out then hey, I suggest we add a couple guidelines to the Pidgeon Lounge...because seriously, some of us (I'm not mentioning anyone...) really lack respect when it comes to posting in the Pidgeon Lounge...and I'm not talking about the flaming, I'm talking about the random Off-Topic posts that are in the Pidgeon Lounge. Somebody (not me...) posts a thread, then someone comes in a posts a completely off the wall, asinine, spammy, moronic post that is usually one worded of full of random words put together. Sure, its the Pidgeon Lounge, but have some damn respect for other people I me for fuck's sake!! Of course this may just be a problem with individual posters and not the PL...
EDIT:
Perhaps we should enforce the rules more?

Comments, suggestions?

WHEN YOU VOTE, POST WHY YOU VOTED EITHER WAY PLEASE.

The rules are care-free and didn't pose a problem, it's the PEOPLE in here that made the problem in the first place.


Am I right?

Yes gao, that's what I meant, but if we enforce the rules more, then it'll take care of the people problem.

Suggested rule enforcement using Warn Levels (with 'switches perogative of course...):
+1 Warn = message from admin, basic warning
+2 Warn = second message, 2 strikes
+3 Warn = third warning, banned from posting for 7 hours
+4 Warn = fourth warning, post count reset
+5 Warn = fifth warning, banned for 2 days
+6 Warn = sixth warn, banned for a week
+7 Warn = account deleted.

This is a suggestion, I'm not trying to turn this into some nazi-ruled camp thing...

Oh, and I voted no on both questions.


Forgot ta say that, even though something need to be done, it's not this.


I mean, pfhorums contains enough spam in pidgeon lounge already, and if we lock it down.

The garbage will come out for other sections.

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I keep saying that's where the unused warn system comes in...
If you break the rules, you get warned a couple times then you get banned.

This aint kindergarten. There shouldnt be x punishment for y crime.

...Could you explain yourself more?
Because from what I understand, if you break a rule, you get punished...yes, even in the real world.

I think the pigeon lounge is ridiculous anyway. I have it blocked, so it doesn't bother me. Whatever happens with it, I don't care.

There should definitely be some rule enforcement. 'nuff said.



What's the point of post count reset? You can't even see it unless you go to your profile.

Because for some people...post count equals penis size...
Also, it might reset their custom title because you have to have 10 posts minimum to have a changeable title...Plus, Warn 4 acts as a final warning before you actually start getting banned for really long periods of time.

It's really a balance. You want to have a place for spam, so it doesn't leak everywhere. But if it is encouraged too much, then people get into the "spamming" mindset, and spam leaks all over the board.
So i think restrictions are the key.

You know what i think should happen with the post count reset? Complete whip out of all your posts...

That would just confuse other people...

No Keep The Rule Enforcement Loose because like switch said to me once a person banned is a player lost.

dont lock the pidgeon room because that wil result in more spam, in other sections. all the spam

I was looking at all the Warn Level options and I found out that a mod/admin can disable a member's ability to post using this system for pretty much any amount of time (ranging from an hour to forever...)
So here's what I'd suggest:
1st warning - warn reason, no punishment
2nd warning - warn reason, no punishment
3rd warning - warn reason, one hour ban from posting (you can still read, you just can't post)
4th warning - warn reason, 12-hour ban from posting
5th warning - warn reason, two-day ban from posting
6th warning - warn reason, 4-day ban from posting, all posts must be moderator approved.
7th warning - warn reason, banned indefinitely until admin decides member can post again.

This is a general guideline, not some "Iron Fisted" rule thing...it's obviously up to whoever's moderating at the time to decide what gets someone a warning.

Iron fisted means you control your empire, and if they try to rebel you can easily kill them. What oyu just posted is iron fisted.

And speaking of warns, im still not buying it.

How is it iron fisted?

Buying what? Warns are free if you deserve them.

Buying as in, understanding it.

I know that...I was just countering stupidity with stupidity.

we shouldn't lock the pigeon lounge because if we remove the spam will go everywhere else

the rules should be enforced as long as the warnings are reset after a certain time period such as 6 months

You do not seem to relise this was discussed in september, and Ryoko restored harmony to the pigeon lounge after grayswandir was turned powerless. The pigeon lounge is not locked up, and never has been.

Harmony in the Pigeon Lounge? Lulz.

Well its better and more enjoyable now than it was with Grayswan incharge.

*shrugs*
You know what happens when an asian spins in a chair?

I'VE HEARD THE PUNCHLINE TO THIS JOKE, AND IT'S SO BAD, I SHOULD BAN YOU FOREVER.

wow
sorry about that.
it was just with all the recent spamming and rule discussion it looked relevent.
next time i'll check dates

I personally think that the PL should be a place for spamming, trolling, flaming, and everything else (except maybe hate crimes) you cannot do in other boards so it doesn't show up on other boards. Let's face it. A lot of people here want to flame each other and spam. If we make a place for them to do it to other consenting people then it won't leak into the civilized world.

Way to be half asleep at the controls!!!

You like stating the obvious Drake?
The PL already is in that condition.

It's been like that for ages...at least since before you joined.

And this may be the best time to point out, the majority of my posts are in the PL. I am completely and utterly ashamed of myself...

And, as RyokoTK once said, I see little point in the PL. But it's there for people who can't not be retarded.

You guys really get excited over nothing every now and then.

Its a forum. I dont think the PL has changed. Its always been a spamfest. I'm trying not to offend, but could it be that the mods in this place are getting so bored that there dropping the hammer on the PL just so they'll have something to do?

All of the comments you've made about the PL so far have been common knowledge to me forever.
You say that the PL is a place for people to spam, be retarded and flame each other. And I say, WELL YEAH.

Of course, I could be wrong, I haven't been here in ages. Except maybe that... one... time...
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I remember, don't you call us "hyper-sensitive"!

I don't even read the PL.

What I was saying was that it should remain that way to avoid the situation I described.

My mistake, I thought Grayswandir was a mod. And if hes not, then thats even worse!


Yes, yes I do.

No, Grayswandir is not a mod, and how it is worse off that way? I've already made my position on this clear, but it's my opinion that the PL does not need a moderator. Why should there be one? There's nothing to moderate, since there's almost no rules to break. Gray used to be a mod, and look what happened: drama. If there's one thing the PL especially doesn't need, it's drama.

Gotta agree with Ryoko. If there is anything the PL should lack, its drama. And Moppy, I would really like to forget that incident of "hypersensitivity".

What incident might that be? (PM it to me so that people don't get their panties in a knot)

It was an incident that involved a particular person who used a particular sentence "enhancer" that a particular group of people could be offended by reading.
Normally this would slide. Or at most someone might suggest "careful how you use that word."

But in this particular instance, instead of just a suggestion, one person got right up in the topic starters face about the subject.
Thats when people brought out there self-rightousness and set there sensitivity to MAXIMUM.

People who posted after the first guy figuratively ass raped the topic starter over one word.
It was a limited but solid example of mob mentality.
Bottom line is. I'm sure he got the picture the first time you picked on him about the word. You guys didn't leave him alone even after he explained himself and EDITED the post.

Then I came in and contradicted them. I'm sorry, I ruin everything.

Moppy, can you be anymore vague than that?

The only reason I was moderator of the PL was for the hell of it (I was bored). However, like Ryoko stated, the PL doesn't need a moderator. Especially not me, since I enjoying watching people whine, bitch and complain things I'd do to the Pigeon Lounge...mainly because I hate the Pigeon Lounge (And because the people who usually complain about it are people who use the PL). Yes, I'm a hypocrite, I post(ed) in the PL and yet I hate it. So sue me.

Likewise. What happened there, with the hypersensitivity, well...we can't have that here. And to be honest, the hypersensitivity was hardly surprising.